RE: New Look, August 2011

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RE: New Look, August 2011

Postby Elric Pedder » Sat Aug 27th, 2011 5:38pm

From: mailkeep-users@novitraq.com B;mailto:mailkeep-
users@novitraq.comD; On Behalf Of Simon Quill > Sent: August-26-11 3:45 AM
To: Mailkeep Users Group
Subject: Re: New Look, August 2011

Hi Simon,

In message <02d601cc634b$95f15560$c1d40020$@novitraq.com>, Elric
Pedder writes

I know I promised to work on a gateway ages ago and at the time a phpbb
module was in development and looked quite promising. It has since
been abandoned. I've decided, faced with such a rant, that I have no
choice but to work on it myself and hopefully it won't take too long.
PHP is new to me so I don't know how long it will take but I thought
I'd like you know rather than go quiet.

To plagiarise a well known film. Oh no. Now I have guilt!

I find that quote very useful too.

Is a gateway something others are asking for?

Don't worry, you aren't the only one. The "Old Git Parade" definitely
finds forums a little offensive, while the newbies feel the same way about
mailing lists. So.... if this works out.... this message will appear in
the Mailtraq forum too. A bit of an experiment of course and perhaps not
everybody wants to have their posts appear in this manner so feedback is
welcomed. If this works out we can do the same for the Mailtraq list.

And apologies to all the other Mailkeep users who really don't care about
gateways.

Note that you need to be quite neat and tidy about the posts so that my
auto-formatter can make sense of them when converting to BBCode. Senders
are matched to forum accounts based on e-mail address and if you don't
have an account one is created for you but you'll have to request a new
password to get into it. All of this is a bit of a work in progress.

Best regards,
- Elric
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Re: RE: New Look, August 2011

Postby Malc » Sun Aug 28th, 2011 8:38am

I'm game for a laugh. Here's a response from a browser. It's more full of words than of worth.
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Re: RE: New Look, August 2011, Re: RE: New Look, August 2011

Postby Malc (1) » Sun Aug 28th, 2011 8:50am

I'm game for a laugh. Here's a response from a browser. It's more full
of words than of worth.
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Re: New Look, August 2011

Postby Malcolm Pack » Sun Aug 28th, 2011 8:50am

Reference Elric's email of Sat, 27 Aug 2011 17:02:28 -0400:

The "Old Git Parade" definitely finds forums a little offensive

Far more offensive than being called an "Old Git".

if this works out.... this message will appear in > the Mailtraq forum too.

It did, albeit with a couple of odd Unicode characters near the start
that didn't display very nicely in Firefox.

A bit of an experiment of course and perhaps not
everybody wants to have their posts appear in this manner so feedback is
welcomed.

I think my only qualm relates to the potential publication on a web
site of an e-mail address that I've intended for use on a mailing
list, and vice versa. This post, and its web-originated predecessor,
are intended to test that.

Note that you need to be quite neat and tidy about the posts so that my
auto-formatter can make sense of them when converting to BBCode.

Neat and tidy? I don't
know /what/ you mean! I'm *always*
neat. It's whether the gateway understands things like _underlining_
that interests me more.

Senders
are matched to forum accounts based on e-mail address and if you don't
have an account one is created for you but you'll have to request a new
password to get into it.

I'm game for a laugh, and happy to test.

All of this is a bit of a work in progress.

Much like my entire life. I feel quite at home.
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Re: New Look, August 2011

Postby Elric Pedder » Sun Aug 28th, 2011 9:00am

Malcolm Pack wrote:Neat and tidy? I don't
know /what/ you mean! I'm *always*
neat. It's whether the gateway understands things like _underlining_
that interests me more.

It understands italics, bold and underlining in the other direction, but alas you beat the system.

I don't know why your message sourced here made a round trip. More debugging clearly needed.
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Re: New Look, August 2011

Postby Malcolm Pack » Sun Aug 28th, 2011 10:09am

Reference my email of Sun, 28 Aug 2011 13:49:37 +0100:

I think my only qualm relates to the potential publication on a web
site of an e-mail address that I've intended for use on a mailing
list, and vice versa. This post, and its web-originated predecessor,
are intended to test that.

No leakage there, although the newly-created user has its profile set
with "Users can contact me by e-mail:" enabled. I'd venture that some
might prefer that to be disabled, even though it doesn't reveal
anything, and even though it's contrary to the consequence of sending
the original e-mail to the list for most users.

The web predecessor got gatewayed nicely (other than the mashed up
subject line), but the gatewayed message then looped back into the
forum and created a duplicate message by a new user.

It's whether the gateway understands things like _underlining_
that interests me more.

It doesn't. Even though it was expecting far too much, it would have
been nice. ;-)

(Although I've been told that I can't have everything in life, one of
the justifications for that has been that I'd have nowhere to put it
all. Surely "everything in life" includes "somewhere to put it all",
the only problem then being the dimensional rift required to create an
object into which can be put everything including itself, although
presumably "everything in life" also includes the requisite knowledge
to create such a rift, and the ability to put that rift into the
object whose existence it enables. My wife is of the opinion that such
thoughts will inevitably lead to my disappearing up my own bottom. The
logical conclusion is therefore that the place into which everything
can be put is, in fact, my bottom. Now I've scared myself. Testing is
complete.)
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RE: New Look, August 2011

Postby Elric Pedder » Sun Aug 28th, 2011 11:56am

From: mailkeep-users@novitraq.com [mailto:mailkeep-
users@novitraq.com] On Behalf Of Malcolm Pack
Sent: August-28-11 9:20 AM
To: Mailkeep Users Group
Subject: Re: New Look, August 2011

Hi Malcolm,

Reference my email of Sun, 28 Aug 2011 13:49:37 +0100:

I think my only qualm relates to the potential publication on a web
site of an e-mail address that I've intended for use on a mailing
list, and vice versa. This post, and its web-originated predecessor,
are intended to test that.

No leakage there, although the newly-created user has its profile set with
"Users can contact me by e-mail:" enabled. I'd venture that some might
prefer that to be disabled, even though it doesn't reveal anything, and
even though it's contrary to the consequence of sending the original e-mail
to the list for most users.

Fair point although I can see both sides to this. It is probably better
to default to disabled though.

The web predecessor got gatewayed nicely (other than the mashed up
subject line), but the gatewayed message then looped back into the forum
and created a duplicate message by a new user.

I think that is now fixed.

It's whether the gateway understands things like underlining
that interests me more.

It doesn't. Even though it was expecting far too much, it would have been
nice. ;-)

Ok why don't we try that again and see what happens?

(Although I've been told that I can't have everything in life, one of the
justifications for that has been that I'd have nowhere to put it all. Surely
"everything in life" includes "somewhere to put it all", the only problem
then being the dimensional rift required to create an object into which can
be put everything including itself, although presumably "everything in life"
also includes the requisite knowledge to create such a rift, and the ability
to put that rift into the object whose existence it enables. My wife is of the
opinion that such thoughts will inevitably lead to my disappearing up my
own bottom. The logical conclusion is therefore that the place into which
everything can be put is, in fact, my bottom. Now I've scared myself.
Testing is complete.)

Okeydokey.

Cheers,
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Re: New Look, August 2011

Postby Malcolm Pack » Sun Aug 28th, 2011 2:15pm

Reference Elric's email of Sun, 28 Aug 2011 11:03:34 -0400:



It's whether the gateway understands things like underlining
that interests me more.

It doesn't. Even though it was expecting far too much, it would have been
nice. ;-)

Ok why don't we try that again and see what happens?

I'm game. I'm game, and so is a _wild_boar_. groan
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Re: RE: New Look, August 2011

Postby Malc » Sun Aug 28th, 2011 3:20pm

Oh, so close! Any underline failings were doubtless a result of my own error.
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Re: New Look, August 2011

Postby Simon Quill » Wed Aug 31st, 2011 8:29am

In message <8466$mailkeep-users@novitraq.com>, Malc
writes

Hi Chaps.

What I presume are message from the Forum transmogrified to the mailing
list are arriving here and not being displayed by Turnpike. I get an
Icon and the words 'Unrecognised Encoding. "7-bit"

Raw message view shows:

Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7-bit

Whereas Malc's messages show

Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

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RE: New Look, August 2011

Postby Elric Pedder » Wed Aug 31st, 2011 8:42am

From: mailkeep-users@novitraq.com [mailto:mailkeep-
users@novitraq.com] On Behalf Of Simon Quill
Sent: August-31-11 8:22 AM
To: Mailkeep Users Group
Subject: Re: New Look, August 2011

Hi Simon,

What I presume are message from the Forum transmogrified to the mailing
list are arriving here and not being displayed by Turnpike. I get an
Icon and
the words 'Unrecognised Encoding. "7-bit"

Raw message view shows:

Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7-bit

Whereas Malc's messages show

Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Good point and thanks for pointing out the typo. I think my mail client
just assumes anything it doesn't recognise is 7bit. Your post also
allowed me to spot and fix a few more issues.

Best regards,
- Elric
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